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    HUNTINGTON INGALLS INDUSTRIES (HII)

    Q3 2024 Earnings Summary

    Reported on Jan 31, 2025 (Before Market Open)
    Pre-Earnings Price$250.49Last close (Oct 30, 2024)
    Post-Earnings Price$215.00Open (Oct 31, 2024)
    Price Change
    $-35.49(-14.17%)
    MetricPeriodGuidanceActualPerformance
    Shipbuilding Revenue
    Q3 2024
    $2.2 billion
    $2,076 million (664+ 1,412)
    Missed
    Mission Technologies
    Q3 2024
    $650 million
    $709 million
    Beat
    TopicPrevious MentionsCurrent PeriodTrend

    Free cash flow guidance changes

    Previously reaffirmed at $600–$700M in Q1 & Q2 2024, and guided at $600–$700M in Q4 2023.

    Drastically reduced to $0–$100M for 2024, with 5-year FCF target withdrawn.

    Shifted sharply downward from bullish reaffirmation to bearish reduction.

    Shipbuilding margins under pressure and cost overruns

    Discussed minor margin dips and some cost overruns in Q1 but no specific mention in Q2; Q4 recognized some pressures but still had margin in the 7.6%–7.8% range.

    Revised margin guidance to 5%–6% for 2024 due to performance challenges.

    Continues to appear with increasingly negative sentiment.

    Submarine contracts (Virginia-class, Columbia-class, 17-ship agreement)

    Q2 forecasted upcoming Block VI negotiations; Q1 and Q4 emphasized healthy backlog and progress on Virginia- and Columbia-class subs.

    Uncertainty about timing and structure of 17-ship deal; contract removed from near-term assumptions.

    Still prominent but with more cautious tone on timing.

    Supply chain disruptions and inflation impacts

    Persistently noted in prior calls with some improvements but continued challenges in Q2 & Q4.

    Highlighted fragility in supply chain and pre-COVID contracts unprepared for inflation.

    Ongoing concern with no short-term resolution.

    Labor challenges and workforce retention issues

    Previously recognized in Q1–Q2 and Q4 with pilot retention programs; still a major factor.

    No improvement in attrition; pivoting to hire more experienced labor.

    Recurring theme with persistent struggles.

    Mission Technologies division growth

    Q2 and Q1 showed double-digit growth with rising backlog; Q4 posted 13.1% annual increase.

    14% YTD sales growth and strong contract wins ($11B in potential value).

    Consistently positive with continued expansion.

    Expanding Navy backlog and long-term shipbuilding plans

    Q2 and Q1 emphasized expectations for multiple awards; Q4 reported $48B backlog.

    Current backlog at $49.4B, with $28B funded and newly awarded amphibious contracts.

    Stable growth in backlog, remains a core focus.

    Absent discussion of the 21-ship contract mentioned in Q2

    In Q2, HII planned to put 21 boats under contract in next 6–12 months.

    No mention of the 21-ship contract. Conversations focused on a 17-ship omnibus instead.

    Discontinued reference, replaced by emphasis on 17-ship deal.

    Innovative contracting approaches for new submarine awards

    Largely not discussed in Q2, Q1, or Q4 [—].

    Supports SAS funding to address workforce/infrastructure, but no near-term agreement.

    New focus emerged in Q3 to handle cost/inflation challenges.

    Sentiment shift on free cash flow (reaffirmed → lowered)

    No sign of such a decrease in Q2–Q4 calls, where FCF was repeatedly affirmed.

    Severe reduction and 5-year target withdrawal underscore negative outlook.

    Marked negative turn from consistent optimism.

    Evolving confidence in submarine program execution

    Q2–Q4 expressed overall confidence with moderate disruptions but stable progress.

    Acknowledged setbacks in performance, rework, and scheduling risks.

    Becoming more cautious, citing ongoing inefficiencies.

    Increased capital expenditures affecting near-term cash flow

    Q2–Q4 indicated planned CapEx at 5% of sales, offset by Navy contributions.

    Reduced 2024 CapEx plan from 5.3% to 3.4% of sales, seeking to manage “choppy” cash flow.

    Shifted strategy to curtail spending amid uncertainty.

    Potential major impact from large submarine contracts on future performance

    Q2–Q4 expected significant awards to strengthen long-term performance.

    Aware these deals could reset Newport News portfolio but uncertain on final structure.

    High-impact but delayed, awaiting final agreement.

    1. $800 Million Cash Flow Cut

      Q: How much of the $800M cash flow cut is due to contracts slipping versus performance?

      A: Management explained that the $800 million cut to operating cash flow guidance is due to a combination of both the delayed 17-ship submarine contract and performance issues at the yards. The expected awards of new contracts are not imminent by year-end, and performance hasn't met expectations, leading to the reduced cash flow outlook.

    2. 17-Ship Submarine Contract Delay

      Q: What's causing delays in the 17-ship submarine contract?

      A: The delays are due to budget constraints and the need for an innovative contracting approach that reflects the current economic environment. Original budgets didn't account for inflation and increased costs, making it challenging to finalize the contract without adjustments.

    3. Margin Guidance and Negative EACs

      Q: Why does the margin guidance imply more negative EACs ahead?

      A: Management indicated that the low end of shipbuilding margin guidance accounts for potential negative EAC adjustments in Q4. They are monitoring performance and awaiting contract resolutions, which could impact margins either positively or negatively by year-end.

    4. Transition from Pre-COVID Contracts

      Q: When will pre-pandemic contracts stop affecting financials?

      A: The transition away from pre-COVID contracts is expected over the next 2 to 4 years, with more post-COVID contracts comprising the portfolio by 2027–2028. Until then, performance and margins will continue to be impacted by these older contracts.

    5. Labor Issues and Outsourcing Impact

      Q: How are labor issues and outsourcing affecting margins?

      A: The company faces challenges with attrition and inexperienced labor. They plan to hire fewer entry-level workers and focus on more experienced staff, while increasing outsourcing. Outsourcing comes with a premium, impacting current profitability, but is necessary to meet capacity needs.

    6. CVN 79 Delivery and Rework

      Q: Is CVN 79 still on schedule despite rework issues?

      A: Management confirmed that CVN 79 is still scheduled for delivery in 2025. While acknowledging challenges due to rework on pre-COVID ships, no changes to milestones have been made.

    7. Mission Technologies Outlook

      Q: What's the outlook for Mission Technologies?

      A: Mission Technologies is performing well, with 14% year-to-date growth over last year. Management is confident in its future, expecting growth consistent with or exceeding prior communicated rates, focusing on high-growth areas like C5ISR and unmanned systems.

    8. Block IV Submarine Charges

      Q: Did design changes cause Block IV charges?

      A: Yes, design changes related to submarine SSN 800 contributed to charges. There's potential upside once negotiations with the Navy conclude, but other issues also impacted the quarter.

    9. Cash Flow Expectations Beyond 2024

      Q: What's the outlook for cash flow beyond 2024?

      A: Management expects cash flow to be choppy for the next couple of years due to performance and the timing of new contracts. They have retracted their prior multi-year cash flow guidance until there's more clarity on contracts and performance.

    10. Ingalls Shipyard Performance

      Q: Are there issues affecting Ingalls Shipyard's performance?

      A: Ingalls is facing challenges similar to other manufacturers, such as inexperienced labor and supply chain fragility. While there are fewer opportunities for positive adjustments, management remains confident in Ingalls' ability to meet milestones.

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